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La Moto2: Hub-Centre-Steering front suspension System 1 (Demonstener-Difazio)

Happy new year dear Readers!!

The project Lamoto2 it’s going really well.
We’ve been thinking about publishing it worldwide with the help of www.thekneeslider.com even if this can make the project too much big for our human resources. However I think we’ll do it because it’s a great chance to meet people interested in this kind of projects.
I’ve done the first proposals while we’re waiting for the readers designs. Readers are really interested and they are mainly giving their opinions and some of them are proposing their ideas.

FIRST SYSTEM it´s called D-D (Demonstener-Difazio)

It exploit the best of both systems. It has a double swing arm single-sided or a double swingarm on both sides. It uses a commercial Vyrus rim and it’s really light an efficient.
irst you can see is the headstock, it´s placed inside the hub. It´s a preliminary design so doesn´t matter too much how is it made. The headstock it’s a part of the system that DOESN’T TURN.
There we have the Hub. It turns with the steering. It has big bearing with small section and so a reasonable weight.
The hub wears also the supports of the callipers. We must still calculate if the headstock allows the loads they produce.
 The direction come from a bended plate that works mainly in shear mode so it´s strength enough to hold the efforts.
 Over the wheel we must continue with a telescopic cylinder that can carry the steering effort with a compass or with a grooved shaft.

 The most elegant solution it’s the Cannondale steering system with needle bearings.

 The swingarms can be one-sided or both sided depending of the stress analysis results. We’ll choose the one with better performance.

Read also System 2! 

And off couse visit www.lamoto2.es

The Center-Hub-Steering MOTO2

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Hi Everybody!

I´m really proud to present the first Open Design Project in Beltrance.com
Do you want to design and build a Center-Hub-Steering MOTO2 ????
Welcome to this amazing project!
December the 15th, world presentation.
If you want to participate, we begin in four days…

And remember that we need your help!

CENTER HUB STEERING #2

(StreetDumper Build-Off)

It´s incredible how life can change suddenly, in the blink of an eye. And so sometimes we need to stop, have a coffee and reconsider things. Since one week ago I was working in the development of the Airbus A350 XWB tail cone. I wanted to know about planes so I looked for a project in aeronautics. It has been almost a year with a wonderful group of people solving lots of problems together and learning really a lot. Now it´s time for changes, but this will be another coffee…

This reminds me that I wanted to talk about a little group of people, a lot of ideas and a few knowhow… Welcome to the StreetDumper episode II: The Bikers Build Off!

V2R StreetDumper Build-Off_1

First of all, what means are available to you? When you design or simply think about how to build something you have to follow some rules. The first it’s of course designing things you can easily build. The second it’s designing things you can afford.

When we started the design of the StreetDumper we had previously contacted the company that was going to build our parts. It was GrupoVolund, a heavy machinery and big boat engines company. Probably wasn´t the best choice but it was owned by my Mechanics Technology teacher of the university and I know he was the perfect person to help us. So we had some lathes, a plasma cut partner and NO tube bending machine.

As it was a really low cost project. We had to use the cheaper and most effective tool for saving money: the imagination.

We designed with straight profiles and a lot of welding. Tubes were not cut by CNC, we did them by printing the developments and fixing them to the row profile. Then we manually cut following the patern. It was a fast method and had an assumable error. As we designed mainly flat assemblies we welded parts to a plate as welding jig so we kept the main dimensions under control. Probably the biggest mistake was the choice of the steering bearings. We choose ball bearings able to assume certain axial load, so there was no efforts problem but we had to design fixers for the four ball races instead of using tapered roller or angular contact bearing or even rod ends as we were building a PROTOTYPE. It´s important to think about the dimension and the range of what you´re doing. We were building a dummy to show our system. For this kind of projects I recommend to use simply solutions.

When we were deciding how to design the bike I was a Mechanical Desktop 6 user but I decided to use Catia, even if it was absolutely new for me (now it´s almost my lifestyle) I try to learn in everything I do and this was an opportunity. It was really a good choice.

The coldest mornings in Alicante inside the coldest company were shaping the bike (we were lucky because Alicante is a kind of  paradise).

Do you remember I told that dimensions were under control? Well, before the assembly we thought they were! It was really a hard assembly. In fact I´m sure that the grain of the material is completely changed 6 years after… (Maybe it has some cracks).

We did what must never be done, painting before assembly! But in this case was a good idea because after assembly I think that the bike can’t be disassembled.

The main painting was made in a workshop. The painting of the brake caliper and the seat was made by us with a high temperature resistant spray and a lot of art (as we say in Spain)

For painting I hanged the parts from a piece of rope. Then I turned lot of times the part and let it turn freely and start painting moving up and down. So the paint does not accumulate in any place and the finish was almost professional.

Even if it sounds incredible we sent the pictures and a report of the bike to BMW and they call us for a meeting that we maintained in their headquarters in Munich. They were interested in the system and ask us to do a real bike, not a scooter, that was the kick start of the Demonstener D1200R.

6 years after I see this bike and I can only smile. But best of all was that it rode and rode well!!!

Special thanks to Felipe and Ramón from GrupoVolund. With their effort made this project possible.

CENTER HUB STEERING #1

(About the StreetDumper)

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While I was opening the doors of the Café I was thinking about a conversation I had with a reporter of  ‘LA MOTO’, a really good spanish bike magazine. I met him in MOTORLAND, the new MOTOGP racetrack. He came to test our bike, the Demonstener D1200R. We were sharing box with Álvaro Bautista and Loris Capirossi (Suzuki MOTOGP Team) that came also for an article . It was really a nice day! 

The magazine article will be posted the 15th of this month so I´ll share it as soon as possible. 

The reporter pushed to the limit the Demonstener and then he discovered that the limit was the BMW boxer engine. The cylinder was scratching the asphalt and making him loose the front wheel grip. He was annoyed because he felt that the steering and suspension system could go further. 

Our bike has a type of steering commonly known as Center Hub Steering. He thoughts, as I do that this kind of systems have been underestimated and that their time is still to come. This idea keeps hanging on from the early 60s and may be it will never success. But let me think different, as I usually do. If we prove that it´s better it will success. And the only place we could prove this it´s of course the racetrack! Do you want to help us?? Soon you´ll know more…

This post plans to be the first of a series about alternative bikes suspension and steering systems, so let me start from the beginning…

 At the corner of the Café, just under the pictures of some beautiful caferacer bikes there is an strange two wheeled piece of metal. is that a bike? 

V2R_StreetDumper_ Center_Hub_Steering_1

Well… let me introduce the V2R, friendly known as the StreetDumper. V2R is the Spanish acronym of Two Wheel Vehicle and it´s our first attempt to create an absolutely new vehicle (a bit ambitious may be!) . It was a low cost project that I lead in Vinci Innovaciones Tecnológicas that surprisingly worked well. 

We started with an enormous report filled of differential equations and an old man patent about a steering system. 

The report was made by CARTIF 

The old man was Juan Elizalde. 

The project was a Center Hub Steering scooter with a 150cc Scarabeo engine. 

The bike he built didn´t work.

ELIZALDE Center Hub Steering 4

ELIZALDE Center Hub Steering 3

ELIZALDE Center Hub Steering 1

ELIZALDE Center Hub Steering 2

The CHS is a system were the steering is not in the headstock but inside or at least closer to the wheel hub. It´s normally mounted on a swingarm that extends from the bottom of the frame. This allows new settings in a bike like the antidiving or the variation of the castor angle while the suspension gets compressed among other possibilities. We´ll have time to talk about CHS. 

Looking at the Elizalde´s patent we understood that it was an interesting start point, there were lot of good ideas even if the adopted solution was not so good. The steering was a complete chaos because was made of universal joints with angles of almost 45º between the axles. When you turned the handlebar for about 15 degrees the wheel didn´t turn. But if you turned a degree more then suddenly the wheel turned the 16 degrees. This phenomenon it´s called bump-steering and it was common (in a smaller way) to all the Center-Hub-Steering until we designed the StreetDumper.  

The other big problem to solve in the Elizalde´s bike was the heavy swing arm that caused a bad sprung mass ratio. However it had a new interesting concept that was connecting both front and rear suspensions. In fact, as you can see, the idea of the project was unconsciously to put automotive technology on a bike. 

The way we solved the bump steering was based on a phrase we used to listen in math class: ‘An straight line is a curve of infinite radius’ And that was the solution. 

When the front wheel travel in a fork upwards it goes on a straight line. So we choose a point sufficiently far to simulate this. We choose an 1 meter radius front swingarm. It was big but light. To filter the small displacement we hanged the handlebar from a swinging connecting rod. So it moved back and forward in a negligible way. So we had the first non bump-steering CHS bike!

V2R_StreetDumper_ Center_Hub_Steering_3

Next we did was linking front and rear suspension making front and rear swingarm work together. The bike is really comfortable, kind of new featherbed chassis! even though the studies shows that over 70 Km/h it becomes unstable. Only my dear friend and test pilot Guillermo de Oya Jiménez (A.K.A. Cuco) rode over that speed and I couldn´t see the fear in his eyes. At that time our resources to measure things were just our five senses. 

In the Demonstener we have removed the suspensions link. You can never ride a bike like that under 70 Km/h! 

The system worked. But it had a problem. When the rear wheel was compressed by a bump, it made front suspension to extend. It was surprisingly comfortable but risky. HERE you can find an old PowerPoint explaining the systems of the bike. It has lots of mistakes but it was the beginning. Hope you enjoy it as a museum piece!

 

This was the theory, in the next post you´ll see a young version of the Bikers Build Off! But this will be in the next coffee… 

Carlos Beltrán Carrión 

Follow also this links if you want to know more about CHS: 

Our bikes: Demonstener D1200R

One of the inventors: Difazio

Other builders: the amazing Harrier , Tryphonos, Vyrus and  Bimota Tesi 

And of course: The guru Tony Foale